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− | The idea of LiveContent is based upon [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiveDistro LiveDistro], a live instance of an operating system that can be booted from a CD or other type of media without needing to install the actual software on a machine. However, whereas LiveDistro relies on static media, LiveContent works to provide a platform to engage with dynamically-built software, applications and constantly-changing user generated content communities.
| + | {{Infobox|'''This project has been retired. |
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− | LiveContent is an umbrella idea which aims to connect and expand Creative Commons and open source communities. LiveContent works to identify creators and content providers working to release their creations more easily with others. LiveContent works to support developers and others who build better technology to distribute these works.
| + | * Version 1.0 ISOs are available [http://cc-livecontent.dreamhosters.com/ here]. |
| + | * Version 2.0 ISO is available [http://www.archive.org/details/livecontent2.0 here].'''}} |
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− | === Contribute! ===
| + | {{Infobox| |
| + | [[Image:Lc-2.0-front.jpg|200px|right|]] |
| + | '''Welcome to the CC LiveContent project!''' |
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− | Creative Commons encourages others to provide ideas, feedback, comments and connections to other projects on this wiki page. There are many ways to contribute.
| + | *LiveContent '''disseminates''' creative and interactive content and software through media |
| + | *LiveContent '''identifies''' CC-powered projects, creators and content providers working to share their creations with the world |
| + | *LiveContent '''supports''' the development of standardized technologies to make open content easier to find and redistribute |
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− | #Sign up for an account on this wiki and begin adding to the community - your knowledge, ideas and contributions are welcome
| + | '''Contribute!''' |
− | #IRC - Channel #CC at http://irc.freenode.net - general chatter from CC-ers, affiliates, guests - http://wiki.creativecommons.org/IRC
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− | #cc-devel listserv - Creative Commons developers email list - http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Mailing_Lists
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− | === Formats ===
| + | LiveContent is made possible through the community of creators, content curators, and developers. Creative Commons encourages others to provide ideas, feedback, comments and connections to other projects on this wiki page. There are many ways to contribute: |
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− | ==== USB ====
| + | #'''WIKI''' - Sign up for an account on this wiki and begin adding to the community - your knowledge, ideas and contributions are welcome |
− | {{incomplete}}
| + | #'''CHAT''' - Channel #CC at http://irc.freenode.net - http://wiki.creativecommons.org/IRC |
| + | #'''LIST''' - cc-devel listserv - Creative Commons developers email list - http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Mailing_Lists |
| + | }} |
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− | ==== DVD ==== | + | {|class="wikitable" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5" width=100% |
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| + | ! width=33% style="background:#B3DDF4;border-left:5px solid white;border-right:5px solid white;border-top:5px solid white;" | Media |
| + | ! width=33% style="background:#C5FDAF;border-left:5px solid white;border-right:5px solid white;border-top:5px solid white;" | Content Directories |
| + | ! width=33% style="background:#FDAFAF;border-left:5px solid white;border-right:5px solid white;border-top:5px solid white;" | Content APIs |
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| + | |valign="TOP" style="background:#D4EDFB;border-left:5px solid white;border-right:5px solid white;border-bottom:5px solid white;" | |
| + | LiveContent can be delivered in a variety of ways, such as through [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiveDistro LiveDistros]. These have traditionally been a vehicle to test an operating system or applications live. The operating systems and/or applications are directly booted from a CD, DVD or other type of media without needing to install the actual software on a machine. |
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− | The Free Me project has already produced a [http://questionsplease.org/freeme live DVD] with almost exactly the same ideas behind it. More than willing to lend a hand with this :D. Contact me at jonathan.roberts.uk@googlemail.com if you think I could be of use.
| + | * [[LiveContent 1 0|LiveContent 1.0]] - Released for LinuxWorld |
| + | * [[LiveContent 2 0|LiveContent 2.0]] - Autocurating Content |
| + | * [[LiveContent Getting Started|Getting Started]] |
| + | * [[LiveContent Press|Press]] - Various press outlets, and where to submit press too |
| + | * [[LiveContent Getting Help|Help]] |
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− | ==== LiveCD ====
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− | [http://live.gnome.org/GnomeLiveCd Gnome] has one. So does [http://mono-live.com Mono]. Why not Creative Commons? A successful completion of this challenge would produce an ISO image for a bootable system that would be filled with CC-licensed content and whatever the state-of-the-art in CC-enabled content and open source applications are at that time. Creative Commons will team with [http://www.redhat.com/ Red Hat], [http://www.worldlabel.com/ Worldlabel.com] and [http://www.openoffice.org/ OpenOffice] in order to produce a LiveCD that can be presented to libraries throughout the US as an example of free open source software, open document formats and Creative Commons-licensed content. Worldlabel is supporting the development and distribution of the LiveCD.
| + | |valign="TOP" style="background:#E8FFDF;border-left:5px solid white;border-right:5px solid white;border-bottom:5px solid white;" | |
| + | Creative Commons doesn't maintain a list of CC-licensed media, but we encourage the community of organizations and services with CC-powered projects to add themselves to the Content Directories. This is a listing of creative initiatives using CC licensing. We provide an intuitive form to make it easy for you to add your project. Share your creativity and check out the others who are using CC too. |
| + | * [[Content Directories]] |
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− | ==== Rationale ====
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− | ===== general ===== | + | |valign="TOP" style="background:#FFDADA;border-left:5px solid white;border-right:5px solid white;border-bottom:5px solid white;"| |
− | | + | LiveContent aims for better standards and API specifications so that others can manipulate CC content feeds. LiveContent 2.0 demonstrates the autocuration process, made possible by well-documented APIs from organizations like Flickr. Check it out here and help us standardize. You can have your content featured on a LiveContent disc too. |
− | We believe that the LiveCD can be a gateway distribution device to test the waters of using open source software within library settings. Also spread the message about Creative Commons and provide examples of different media that has been licensed with Creative Commons licenses. Create network effects for open source in general - get more people involved with supporting FOSS, CC.
| + | * [http://www.flickr.com/services/api/ Flickr API documentation] |
− | | + | * [[Flickr_Autocuration|CC process for Flickr photo autocuration]] |
− | ==== Target ====
| + | * [[Autocurated_Packages|Autocurated Packages]] |
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− | LiveCD will be created for librarians to test for public terminals at libraries. The object is to get as many libraries to install Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) on their current systems. We will be aiming the implementation at librarians and library administrators.
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− | We strongly believe that libraries are a great way to plant seeds in the community to help the FOSS movement to become popular. This project will help bring more awareness to Open Source by providing an example of an operating system and free open source applications that could be implemented on library machines. If the ideas can catch on, the long-range effects might be that libraries would begin to implement free open source software on machines permanently, thus saving money on software licensing agreements.
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− | At this time, it seems that CDs provide the best media format that is accessible to most library computer terminals.
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− | ===== possible benefits =====
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− | *libraries
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− | **save money on proprietary software licensing - total cost of ownership (tco) is less
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− | **libraries can be seen as cutting edge in adoption of open source
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− | **more control over computing environment
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− | **can test on machines without installing
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− | **can also install directly from a desktop image
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− | **most productivity and creativity applications have a free open source counterpart
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− | **increase services to user by offering more software
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− | ===== existing library terminals =====
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− | *at SFPL main branch, there are two types of computer terminals:
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− | **some that are used solely for card catalog - no other features provided
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− | **others where patrons can access the internet (via internet explorer) and use the Microsoft Office 2003 suite (Word, Excel, Powerpoint) - there are no other applications that are accessible through the tailored, limited-view interface
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− | ==== Proposed LiveCD Contents ====
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− | ===== Redhat Fedora 7 =====
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− | *appropriate documentation
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− | **fedora liveOS blanket info - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/LiveOS_README
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− | *creating a spin
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− | **don't need an account to build a spin - any user who has installed fedora on their machine can spin custom livecds
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− | **creating a Fedora LiveCD documentation - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/LiveCDHowTo
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− | *users who wish to contribute to fedora's build system need an account
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− | **create account: http://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts
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− | *Build Spins:
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− | **WEB build http://koji.fedoraproject.org
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− | *** openoffice - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=9083
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− | *** inkscape - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=2118
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− | *** gimp - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=407
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− | *** firefox - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=37e
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− | **GUI http://revisor.fedoraunity.org
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− | **command line (CLI) - https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/pungi
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− | *options
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− | **i386 Gnome LiveCD - maybe the better option
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− | **i386 KDE LiveCD
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− | ***can have both desktop environments, but probably better to support one or the other due to cd size constraints
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− | testing notes:
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− | **fedora 7 liveCD gnome extremely slow in liveboot - this is with 256mb ram
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− | **note - productivity and creativity apps cannot be installed at terminals without first installing Fedora - aka liveCD doesn't support application installs before full OS install
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− | ===== Productivity/entertainment suite with a combination of the following Free Open Source programs: =====
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− | *[http://www.openoffice.org Openoffice] - Complete version (same as from OOo site)
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− | *OOo Wikipedia plugin, links on page and CD to: OO, Support page, OOoforums, Documentation Project
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− | *[http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/ FireFox] - web browser
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− | *[http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/ Thunderbird] - email client
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− | *[http://www.gimp.org/ Gimp] - raster graphics editor
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− | *[http://www.inkscape.org/ Inkscape] - vector graphics editor
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− | *[http://www.videolan.org/ VLC] - media player
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− | *[http://www.getdemocracy.com/ Democracy] - media player, torrent client
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− | *Collection of clipart from [http://www.openclipart.org Open Clip Art Library]
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− | *[http://www.worldlabel.com Worldlabel.com] Blank Opendocument Format Label Templates and collection of Pre-designed label templates: address, shipping, filing, CD
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− | *Information and documentation on Opendocument Format from http://opendocumentfellowship.org/ included i
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− | *other appropriate documentation for apps
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− | *PDF Viewer. Possible PDF editor, Openoffice has excellent PDF export
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− | *For Kids
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− | **http://www.linuxforkids.org/
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− | **[http://www.tuxpaint.org/ Tuxpaint]
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− | *note that all these FOSS applications are also available for installation on machines running proprietary operating systems (windows, osx), not just linux machines
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− | ===== Creative Commons-licensed content =====
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− | We want to provide examples from each category (audio, video, text, image, education) to showcase on the LiveContent CD. We will develop a system that can automatically pull top content from the sites that we choose (and these sites can change as well).
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− | We'll feature one website/service/cc-content provider from each of the 5 categories for this initial run. We should provide examples of cc-licensed materials from each. don't know how many--we'll see how much room is left on the cd:
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− | *audio - jamendo
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− | *video - blip.tv
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− | *image - flickr
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− | *text -
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− | *education - mit ocw
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− | we also might include some cc-press kit materials to promote cc
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− | videos,
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− | ====== portals ======
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− | *http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Content_Curators
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− | *http://commoncontent.org/
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− | *http://www.overmundo.com.br/banco/banco.php
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− | *http://ourmedia.org/
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− | *http://archive.org/
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− | *http://www.remixreading.org/
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− | *http://tolweb.org/tree/
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− | *http://www.virn.net/
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− | *http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
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− | ====== audio ======
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− | *http://www.dharmasound.com/
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− | *http://www.artistserver.com/music.cfm
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− | *http://www.beatpick.com/
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− | *http://cchits.org/
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− | *http://ccmixter.org/
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− | *http://www.dogmazic.net/
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− | *http://dmusic.com/
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− | *http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/
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− | *http://www.garageband.com/
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− | *http://www.jamendo.com/
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− | *http://www.jamglue.com/
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− | *http://www.kompoz.com/
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− | *http://magnatune.com/
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− | *http://www.mix2r.com/
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− | *http://www.sectionz.com/home.asp
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− | *http://www.simuze.nl/live/
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− | *http://www.soundclick.com/
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− | *http://soundtransit.nl/
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− | *http://starfrosch.ch/
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− | *http://www.subflow.net/
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− | ====== video ======
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− | *http://blip.tv/
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− | *http://www.engagemedia.org/
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− | *http://hive.ntticc.or.jp/
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− | *http://jumpcut.com/
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− | *http://www.lulu.tv/
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− | *http://www.opsound.org/index.php
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− | *http://revver.com/
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− | *http://newteevee.com/
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− | *http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/documentary-film-program/film/a-fair-y-use-tale
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− | ====== text ======
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− | *http://www.free-culture.cc/remixes/
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− | *http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Books
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− | *http://www.intratext.com/
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− | *http://www.irishliteraryrevival.com/
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− | *http://www.lulu.com/
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− | *http://www.plos.org/
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− | *http://www.unearthtravel.com/
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− | ====== image ======
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− | *http://www.dcnature.com/
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− | *http://www.designreaction.org/
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− | *http://www.flickr.com/creativecommons/
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− | *http://www.geograph.org.uk/
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− | *http://www.h2guide.com/h/mapwizard
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− | *http://www.piqs.de/
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− | *http://stock.ryoku.de/
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− | *http://public-domain.zorger.com/
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− | ====== education ======
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− | *http://www.oercommons.org/
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− | *http://www.omdb.org/
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− | *http://ocw.mit.edu/
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− | *http://www.open-of-course.org/
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− | ====== art ======
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− | *http://www.oddjobjack.com/freejack.php
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− | *http://openclipart.org/
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− | *http://taskforge.njj.dk/
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− | ====== scripts ======
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− | *http://www.rebol.org/
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− | *Possible inclusion of a CC plugin pre-installed in Openoffice.org
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− | *inclusion of CC plug-in for Firefox
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− | ===== Documentation =====
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− | *http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org/
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− | *http://www.oooauthors.com/
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− | *http://docs.fedoraproject.org/
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− | *http://www.gimp.org/docs/
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− | *http://www.inkscape.org/doc/index.php
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− | ==== Distribution Options ====
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− | We will investigate options for getting the CDs into the hands of the libraries we wish to target. While we wish to provide a quality LiveCD to the most libraries we can, we realize that mass mailing may not be the best way to accomplish this distribution goal, especially since this may be considered a type of spamming. Ideas other than mailing include hosting the contents online and doing outreach to libraries and other interested parties through a widespread press release, listservs, hand out at events, or get an in through professional organizations like the American Library Association.
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− | While we are working towards a deliverable LiveCD by August 8, further exploration of a dynamic, automated system should be examined. This type of system could be automated to pull updated content from various sources , current application versions and OS patches and build a CD extremely easily. In this way, users could download the most current build at any time.
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− | During development, we hope to provide preliminary builds and demos that we can send to various organization and libraries so that they can review the LiveCD and provide input for further development. Later reviews hopefully will be published in numerous ALA publications. Reviews could be sent with the CD in the mailing so that there is neutral positive influence behind the CD.
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− | ==== Potential Issues ====
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− | *what kinds of agreements do libraries have with software providers now, if any?
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− | *make the cds very intuitive, well-labeled, good supporting documentation - fedora has a lot of good documentation, +/- of liveCD
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− | *will we only make spins for i386? - probably the architecture of most library terminal machines, unless some use older macs - ppc
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− | *how do we distribute without spamming?
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− | *will libraries trust what we send to them?
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− | *will libraries notice it or have time to look at it?
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− | *less to do with the software and more to do with presentation and documentation
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− | *focus on low income areas, rural?
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− | *will CC put on material that covers all the different licenses? or least restrictive? - attribution only
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− | *different libraries have different budgets which allow for a vast range in hardware and training
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− | *The mailing will have a mail back questionaire asking did they install software and other general questions. - rethink this idea due to spamming/response issues? - think about other ways to gather feedback
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− | *what about adding the CDs to library collections? - might be a good way for people to install or use at home, but doesn't align too well with the applications and content becoming obsolete
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− | *accessibility
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− | **http://ui.openoffice.org/accessibility/disabilities.html
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− | **http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gap/at-types.html
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− | ==== Timeline ====
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− | ===== June 11=====
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− | * Brainstorming "best-of" CC-licensed content to include with the LiveCD
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− | * Connect with other organizations - ALA, LITA, FOSS
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− | * blog post about the project
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− | =====June 18=====
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− | * (DONE) talk to scott about helping us with builds with the correct sizing
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− | * trying out different spins (tvol)
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− | * bug jon to get test computer (tvol)
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− | =====June 25=====
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− | * figure out packaging of physical CD (cardboard insert/cd burns/how many/how long it will take to get manufactured/how much) (tvol + alex))
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− | ** (DONE) need to schedule meeting with alex for this week (Monday)
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− | ** Explaining CC on the packaging
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− | * make public web page requirements on the wiki (tvol)
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− | ** (live.creativecommons.org or creativecommons.org/livecontent or creativecommons.org/live ... maybe for now just redirect to wiki page) (tvol)
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− | ** NOTECH: just clean up this wiki page (tvol)
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− | * get the automated fedora build system working! (tannewt)
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− | =====July 2=====
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− | * Have daily builds running on redhat infrastructure (tannewt)
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− | * planning what docs we need to collect for documentation for Fedora, apps, CC-licenses (tvol)
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− | **pull from documentation on sites--don't reinvent the wheel, utilize wikis, but try to distill important info, especially for new users
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− | **we want the most of these to be present as documentation within the cd, not in print
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− | * conceptualize how to have auto-curated packages (pick one package in each media) (tannewt/tvol) - LiveContent takes off
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− | ** what are the top [[Content Curator]]s to have, one each for audio, video, image, and text, education. (tvol)
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− | ** develop icons for each of these categories? (alex?)
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− | =====July 9=====
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− | * have basic liveCD build completed (tannewt)
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− | =====July 16=====
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− | * Have all top auto-curated packages building on redhat infrastructure (tannewt)
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− | * Test out auto-curated packages and communicate with tannewt (tvol)
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− | =====July 23=====
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− | * (HIGH PRIORITY) Send off CD for printing early week
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− | *build up steam for the release
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− | *library distribution options
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− | **how many will get sent out?
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− | **which libraries?
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− | =====July 30=====
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− | *press release about the project -work with worldlabel, redhat
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− | =====August 6=====
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− | *LiveCD rollout at Linuxworld - San Francisco
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− | =====August 8th=====
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− | *LiveCD rollout CC Salon - San Francisco
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− | ==== Resources ====
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− | ===== Groups =====
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− | *OCLC
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− | **http://www.oclc.org/default.htm
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− | **http://www.oclc.org/research/staff/default.htm
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− | **http://www.oclc.org/research/software/default.htm
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− | **http://www.oclc.org/research/software/opensource.htm
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− | *American Library Association http://www.ala.org
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− | *Library Information Technology Association (LITA) http://www.lita.org
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− | *Open Source Systems interest group http://www.ala.org/ala/lita/litamembership/litaigs/opensourcesystem/opensourcesystems.cfm
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− | *OpenOffice http://marketing.openoffice.org/ and http://distribution.openoffice.org/
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− | ===== People =====
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− | *Jack Aboutboul - Redhat mailto:jaa@redhat.com - Redhat will provide the themeing and customized builds of the CDs containing the OS, open source apps, Worldlabel documentation, CC content
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− | *Jonathan Roberts - Free Me DVD - http://questionsplease.org/freeme/
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− | *Mr. Alex Choong of Innotech Resources Pte Ltd (worldlabel.com.sg) will cover the cost of duplication of master Library CD. 8000 to 10000pcs with jewel box or sleedve. He wants will also implement a program in Singapore and Malaysia to distribute the CD to libraries. He mentioned wanting reference to this in press releases.
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− | *project managers for oo marketing: john mccressh-mailto:jpmcc@openoffice.org, cristin driga-mailto:cdriga@openoffice.org
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− | *Mr. Louis Suarez-Potts (Community Manager): mailto:luispo@gmail.com
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− | *distribution-mailto:cdrom@distribution.openoffice.org
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− | *Simon Spero at Sun in North Carolina, who might be willing to provide server space to maintain a dynamic build system
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− | *John Rutherford of Lita/ALA Chairman of Opensource for Lita - IT division of ALA
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− | **http://www.ala.org/ala/lita/litamembership/litacommittees/roster.cfm?committee=lit-igopens
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− | **mailto:jrutherford @ wayne.edu
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− | **Phone: (313) 577-0367
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− | **will be at ALA conference in Washington DC end of June
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− | *David Bretthauer
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− | **http://www.lita.org/ala/lita/litapublications/ital/2101bretthauer.cfm, can be a big help, especially giving ideas which libraries to target for mailings and other stuff.
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− | **mailto:Dave.Bretthauer@uconn.edu
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− | **Tel: 860-486-6494
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− | *Ms. Carrie Russell mailto:crussell@alawash.org
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− | **Copyright Specialist, ALA, Office for Information Technology Policy
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− | ===== Reading =====
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− | *ALA public library funding & technology access study
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− | **http://www.ala.org/ala/ors/publiclibraryfundingtechnologyaccessstudy/pullibfunandtechaccstudy.htm
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− | *public libraries and the internet
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− | **http://www.ii.fsu.edu/plinternet_findings.cfm
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− | *http://www.infomotions.com/musings/ossnlibraries-workshop/ossnlibraries-workshop.html
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− | *http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/12/14/1545216&mode=thread&tid=132&tid=151&tid=82
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− | *http://webjunction.org/do/DisplayContent?id=1216
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− | *Article on Open Source in libaries by Gates Foundation: http://webjunction.org/do/DisplayContent?id=734
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− | *information on licensing issues for libraries: - http://www.librarycopyright.net/
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− | ===== LiveCD Examples =====
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− | * [http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ Debian Live] - Debian LiveCDs
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− | * [http://www.knoppix.org/ KNOPPIX] - Well-known LiveCD | |
− | * [http://www.slax.org/ Slax] - Slackware-based LiveCD
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− | * [http://www.ubuntu.com/ Ubuntu] - Popular LiveCD
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− | * [http://questionsplease.org/freeme Free Me] - Live DVD promoting free culture in the same way
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− | ===== LiveCD Resources =====
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− | * [http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ Debian Live] | |
− | * [http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php Live CD List] - Long List of LiveCDs
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− | * [http://www.livedistro.org LiveDistro] - [http://www.livedistro.org/taxonomy/term/378/list Build Tools], [http://www.livedistro.org/taxonomy/term/370/list Howtos], [http://www.livedistro.org/vocabulary/18/list Releases]
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− | * [http://reconstructor.aperantis.com/ Reconstructor] - Remaster Ubuntu LiveCDs
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− | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_LiveDistros Wikipedia Linux LiveDistro Comparison]
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− | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiveCD Wikipedia LiveCD] | |
− | * [http://uck.sourceforge.net/ Ubuntu Customization Kit] - Make custom Ubuntu LiveCDs
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− | * [http://revisor.fedoraunity.org/ Revisor] - Graphical tool for creating Fedora Live CDs/DVDs/USBs and installation media
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− | ==== future ====
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− | *Researching 3 libraries in Putnam County, N.Y. in upscale districts, the 3 libraries had Openoffice.org, Firefox and Gimp installed. Further research in under privileged areas will be done. Visited private library which relies on Donations in Cold Springs, NY. Had no FOSS installed and where extremely receptive to the CD idea.
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