Facebook CC Integration/Facebook ToS - Revision history

Guaka: Category:Facebook

2013-05-08T01:06:26Z

Category:Facebook

Mig29x: /* Analysis - Problems */

2009-03-04T14:48:51Z

‎Analysis - Problems

Mig29x: /* Explanation */

2009-03-04T14:48:42Z

‎Explanation

Mig29x: /* =Response to Concerns */

2009-03-04T14:48:03Z

‎=Response to Concerns

Mig29x: /* Proposed Solutions */

2009-03-04T14:47:03Z

‎Proposed Solutions

Mig29x at 14:34, 4 March 2009

2009-03-04T14:34:42Z

Mig29x: /* The Problem */

2009-03-04T13:29:37Z

‎The Problem

Mig29x: /* The Problem */

2009-03-04T13:06:26Z

‎The Problem

Mig29x at 12:59, 4 March 2009

2009-03-04T12:59:39Z

Mig29x at 15:12, 3 March 2009

2009-03-03T15:12:16Z

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	All the 2.* clause in the ToS should be written in a Human readable (no Lawyer-readable) format and with enough detail to avoid misunderstandings.		All the 2.* clause in the ToS should be written in a Human readable (no Lawyer-readable) format and with enough detail to avoid misunderstandings.
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		+	[[Category:Facebook]]

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	Once you take something off of Facebook, they can't do anything with it anymore.		Once you take something off of Facebook, they can't do anything with it anymore.

−	==Analysis - Problems==	+	===Analysis - Problems===

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 ''2.3 For content that is covered by intellectual property rights (like photos and videos), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use, copy, publicly perform or display, distribute, modify, translate, and create derivative works of (“use”) any content you post on or in connection with Facebook. This license ends when you delete your content or your account.''
-== Explanation ==
+=== Explanation ===
 So, what are you giving to Facebook in section 2.3? Let's look at it one piece at a time:

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 Copy, distribute, modify, create derivative works, and sublicense are much broader terms, and while they do need to be circumscribed by extra verbiage (e.g. the reference to application and privacy settings), they can't be replaced because they describe precisely, legally, what Facebook needs the right to do in order for their service to operate.
-===Response to Concerns==
+===Response to Concerns===
 In response to your concerns, no, Facebook does not have the right to use content in any way other than to display it on their website. The display on their website is subject to your own privacy settings, so they can't use, or show your photograph to anyone outside your friends list if that's the privacy setting that you've selected.
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 This is because, Facebook users should have the ability to choose not only with whom they want to share their content, but whether to grant commercial license or not, as well as whether to allow copy and remix or not.
-All the 2.* clause in the ToS should be written in a Human (no Lawyer) readable format and with enought detail to avoid misunderstandings.
+All the 2.* clause in the ToS should be written in a Human readable (no Lawyer-readable)  format and with enough detail to avoid misunderstandings.

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	This is because, Facebook users should have the ability to choose not only with whom they want to share their content, but whether to grant commercial license or not, as well as whether to allow copy and remix or not.		This is because, Facebook users should have the ability to choose not only with whom they want to share their content, but whether to grant commercial license or not, as well as whether to allow copy and remix or not.

−	~~To respect~~ the ~~wishes of it's users, we request from Facebook to adopt a ToS similar to Flickr's:~~	+	All the 2.* clause in the ToS should be written in a Human (no Lawyer) readable format and with enought detail to avoid misunderstandings.
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−	~~(taken from [http://amandafrench~~.~~net/2009/02/16/facebook-terms-of-service-compared/ Amanda French's Website])~~
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−	~~''Yahoo! does not claim ownership of Content you submit or make available for inclusion on~~ the Yahoo! Services. However, with respect to Content you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Yahoo! Services, you grant Yahoo! the following worldwide, royalty-free and non-exclusive license(s)~~, as applicable [...]:''~~
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−	''With respect to photos, graphics, audio or video you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Yahoo! Services other than Yahoo! Groups, the license to use, distribute, reproduce, modify, adapt, publicly perform and publicly display such Content on the Yahoo! Services solely for the purpose for which such Content was submitted or made available. This license exists only for as long as you elect to continue to include such Content on the Yahoo! Services and will terminate at the time you remove or Yahoo! removes such Content from the Yahoo! Services. ''
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−	~~The only problem with Flickr's license is the right of modify~~ and ~~adapt they claim. That right isn't compatible~~ with ~~all the Creative Commons licenses. So we ask Facebook to make limits to that clause in order~~ to ~~use only in facebook's service and not against the Creative Commons NoDerivatives license.~~
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−	~~Facebook users maintain control over their choice of license~~.

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 ''2.3 For content that is covered by intellectual property rights (like photos and videos), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use, copy, publicly perform or display, distribute, modify, translate, and create derivative works of (“use”) any content you post on or in connection with Facebook. This license ends when you delete your content or your account.''
 == Explanation ==
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 Once you take something off of Facebook, they can't do anything with it anymore.
 ===Proposed Solutions===

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	The First Problem is 2.3 is totally opposite of the proposed second Facebook Principle, which says "People should have the freedom to decide with whom they will share their information"		The First Problem is 2.3 is totally opposite of the proposed second Facebook Principle, which says "People should have the freedom to decide with whom they will share their information"
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		+	But such an open statement (current and proposal) leaves it open to abuse.
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		+	== Explanation ==
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		+	So, what are you giving to Facebook in section 2.3? Let's look at it one piece at a time:
		+	----
		+	"For content that is covered by intellectual property rights (like photos and videos),"
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		+	All created material, whether it is words, images, sounds, etc... is automatically covered by copyright once it is "fixed in a tangible medium". In other words, set down in something that won't go away, such as written on a page, saved on disk, recorded on tape or in a computer's memory. You don't need to do anything to have a copyright. It exists from the moment you create something. (Registration is helpful if you want to take legal action, but it isn't "technically" required.) Since you created it, from your mind, or "intellect", it is your "Intellectual Property". Copyright is literally the "right to copy" this intellectual property.
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		+	"you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings:"
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		+	Since it is yours, nobody is allowed to do anything with it without your permission. This is you giving permission to Facebook to do certain things. The things that follow are general, but they are limited by your privacy and application settings. In other words, they can't do something that you have specifically said they couldn’t via those settings.
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		+	" you grant us a non-exclusive, "
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		+	Just because you gave permission to Facebook, doesn't mean you can't give it to other people to! This is very important.
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		+	"transferable, "
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		+	If the ownership of Facebook itself changes, these rights can be "transferred" to the person who bought them. When rights transferred, the former right holder gives them up, and only the new one can act on them.
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		+	"sub-licensable,"
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		+	Facebook can give these rights to others. This is also important, because without this, Facebook could never actually share your stuff - even with your friends. The thing to remember is that this is subject to your settings, as described earlier.This is especially important with regards to the "applications" you may use on Facebook - these are not Facebook's and therefore in order to allow them to work, Facebook needs to delegate (sub-license) these rights to the application providers.
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		+	" royalty-free,"
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		+	You aren't charging Facebook for the use of this property. "Royalties" are what are paid to the creative types by the publishers in exchange for their permission to actually do the publishing. Since you really only want Facebook to share your stuff as you direct, you don't want to charge them to do it.
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		+	" worldwide"
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		+	Facebook is everywhere!
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		+	" license "
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		+	This is just the legal term for "permission". That's why those things you have to go to the DMV to get every few years are called "Driver's Licenses". When you pass their test, and pay their fee, the government gives you permission, or a license, to drive a car.
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		+	"to use,"
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		+	This is the general thing you are giving Facebook permission to do. It is further clarified as:
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		+	" copy,"
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		+	Because even the act of moving a picture from Facebook's storage disk to your friend's PC is legally considered copying, you need to give them permission to do that.
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		+	" publicly perform or display,"
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		+	This means Facebook can actually show your stuff to someone else. Like your friends. Obviously, you need them to be able to do that.
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		+	"distribute,"
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		+	Because the act of giving the picture to your friend is distinct from the act of just making a copy or showing it, Facebook needs this right as well.
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		+	" modify, translate, and create derivative works of"
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		+	Do you like having thumbnails of your pictures in a gallery? Guess what - that's a modification. It is smaller than your original picture. Similarly, once that modification is created as a file, that file is considered a "derivative work" of your original picture, so they need the right to do that, too. This can also be considered a "translation", but in some cases there may also be a literal translation involved. Do you want your friend in France to be able to read your messages in French? This gives Facebook the right to translate them for you. (And yes, saving the translated text counts as creating a derivative work, too!)
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		+	" (“use”)"
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		+	This is just collecting the detailed terms back into a simple word that can be used elsewhere in the agreement. Thus, when you see the word "use", you know that it includes all of the terms defined above.
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		+	" any content you post on or in connection with Facebook."
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		+	These permissions apply to all of the stuff that you upload or otherwise enter into Facebook, whether directly, or through other channels. (e.g. a Twitter feed.)
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		+	"This license ends when you delete your content or your account."
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		+	Once you take something off of Facebook, they can't do anything with it anymore.

	===Proposed Solutions===		===Proposed Solutions===

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	''2.3 For content that is covered by intellectual property rights (like photos and videos), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use, copy, publicly perform or display, distribute, modify, translate, and create derivative works of (“use”) any content you post on or in connection with Facebook. This license ends when you delete your content or your account.''		''2.3 For content that is covered by intellectual property rights (like photos and videos), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use, copy, publicly perform or display, distribute, modify, translate, and create derivative works of (“use”) any content you post on or in connection with Facebook. This license ends when you delete your content or your account.''
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		+	The First Problem is 2.3 is totally opposite of the proposed second Facebook Principle, which says "People should have the freedom to decide with whom they will share their information"

	===Proposed Solutions===		===Proposed Solutions===

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 ''You hereby grant Facebook an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, fully paid, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense) to (a) use, copy, publish, stream, store, retain, publicly perform or display, transmit, scan, reformat, modify, edit, frame, translate, excerpt, adapt, create derivative works and distribute (through multiple tiers), any User Content you (i) Post on or in connection with the Facebook Service or the promotion thereof subject only to your privacy settings or (ii) enable a user to Post, including by offering a Share Link on your website and (b) to use your name, likeness and image for any purpose, including commercial or advertising, each of (a) and (b) on or in connection with the Facebook Service or the promotion thereof.
 ''
 ===Proposed Solutions===
-While It is clear that the 'non-exclusive' license granted to Facebook by users does not exclude users also licensing their content under a Creative Commons license, we request the language "subject only to your privacy settings" be changed to "subject only to your privacy and license settings", and that license selection interface be added to user profiles and content uploads.
+While it is clear that the 'non-exclusive' license granted to Facebook by users does not exclude users also licensing their content under a Creative Commons license, we request the language "subject only to your privacy settings" be changed to "subject only to your privacy and license settings", and that license selection interface be added to user profiles and content uploads.
 This is because, Facebook users should have the ability to choose not only with whom they want to share their content, but whether to grant commercial license or not, as well as whether to allow copy and remix or not.
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 The only problem with Flickr's license is the right of modify and adapt they claim. That right isn't compatible with all the Creative Commons licenses. So we ask Facebook to make limits to that clause in order to use only in facebook's service and not against the Creative Commons NoDerivatives license.
-Rewrite Facebook Terms of Service in [[Human Readable]] terms which communicate clearly that Facebook users maintain ownership of their IP, copyright and control over their choice of license.
+Facebook users maintain control over their choice of license.

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−	~~Work~~ in ~~progress~~..	+	===The Problem===
		+	Quote problematic sections from current Facebook TOS (revised September 23, 2008
		+	Current Facebook TOS (dated from Sept. 23 2008) is (CC from [http://amandafrench.net/2009/02/16/facebook-terms-of-service-compared/ Amanda French])
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		+	''You hereby grant Facebook an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, fully paid, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense) to (a) use, copy, publish, stream, store, retain, publicly perform or display, transmit, scan, reformat, modify, edit, frame, translate, excerpt, adapt, create derivative works and distribute (through multiple tiers), any User Content you (i) Post on or in connection with the Facebook Service or the promotion thereof subject only to your privacy settings or (ii) enable a user to Post, including by offering a Share Link on your website and (b) to use your name, likeness and image for any purpose, including commercial or advertising, each of (a) and (b) on or in connection with the Facebook Service or the promotion thereof.
		+	''
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		+	===Proposed Solutions===
		+
		+	While It is clear that the 'non-exclusive' license granted to Facebook by users does not exclude users also licensing their content under a Creative Commons license, we request the language "subject only to your privacy settings" be changed to "subject only to your privacy and license settings", and that license selection interface be added to user profiles and content uploads.
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		+	This is because, Facebook users should have the ability to choose not only with whom they want to share their content, but whether to grant commercial license or not, as well as whether to allow copy and remix or not.
		+
		+	To respect the wishes of it's users, we request from Facebook to adopt a ToS similar to Flickr's:
		+
		+	(taken from [http://amandafrench.net/2009/02/16/facebook-terms-of-service-compared/ Amanda French's Website])
		+
		+	''Yahoo! does not claim ownership of Content you submit or make available for inclusion on the Yahoo! Services. However, with respect to Content you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Yahoo! Services, you grant Yahoo! the following worldwide, royalty-free and non-exclusive license(s), as applicable [...]:''
		+
		+	''With respect to photos, graphics, audio or video you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Yahoo! Services other than Yahoo! Groups, the license to use, distribute, reproduce, modify, adapt, publicly perform and publicly display such Content on the Yahoo! Services solely for the purpose for which such Content was submitted or made available. This license exists only for as long as you elect to continue to include such Content on the Yahoo! Services and will terminate at the time you remove or Yahoo! removes such Content from the Yahoo! Services. ''
		+
		+	The only problem with Flickr's license is the right of modify and adapt they claim. That right isn't compatible with all the Creative Commons licenses. So we ask Facebook to make limits to that clause in order to use only in facebook's service and not against the Creative Commons NoDerivatives license.
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		+	Rewrite Facebook Terms of Service in [[Human Readable]] terms which communicate clearly that Facebook users maintain ownership of their IP, copyright and control over their choice of license.