4.0/Sandbox - Revision history

Kat Walsh: note to ND treatment

2013-12-09T21:45:33Z

note to ND treatment

Kat Walsh: put archive notice in infobox for better visibility

2013-12-09T19:21:35Z

put archive notice in infobox for better visibility

Kat Walsh: note this page as archival

2013-11-26T22:52:44Z

note this page as archival

Kat Walsh: Category:4.0

2013-09-10T21:20:19Z

Category:4.0

Kat Walsh: /* Collecting societies */ typo

2013-02-14T21:17:46Z

‎Collecting societies: typo

CCID-shinchpearson at 20:45, 14 February 2013

2013-02-14T20:45:19Z

Kat Walsh: /* Collecting societies */ typo

2013-02-14T19:51:30Z

‎Collecting societies: typo

Kat Walsh: /* Collecting societies */ add note on d3 treatment

2013-02-14T19:50:50Z

‎Collecting societies: add note on d3 treatment

Kat Walsh: /* Termination */ moved to separate page

2013-02-14T19:21:35Z

‎Termination: moved to separate page

Kat Walsh: /* Disclaimer of warranties and related issues */ moving to its own page

2012-10-04T22:32:39Z

‎Disclaimer of warranties and related issues: moving to its own page

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 Other ND issues:
 * Should there be a clarification of what qualifies as "modifications as are technically necessary to exercise the rights in other media and formats"? For example, "algorithmic reductions of the color depth of still or moving images" in case printing in greyscale or b&w is not unambigously an "other media" or "format" unto itself? Proposed at http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/cc-licenses/2012-January/006530.html
 == (Font) Embedding Issues ==

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−	'''This page was designed as a gathering place for suggestions from the community. 4.0 has now been published and no new suggestions will be incorporated; this page is maintained as an archive of past discussion.'''	+	{{Infobox\|'''This page was designed as a gathering place for suggestions from the community. 4.0 has now been published and no new suggestions will be incorporated; this page is maintained as an archive of past discussion.'''}}

	==Process==		==Process==

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-'''This page is designed as a gathering place for suggestions from the community. If you have an idea for an issue that is not yet addressed in one of the issue pages linked from the [[4.0]] page, please follow this process:'''
+'''This page was designed as a gathering place for suggestions from the community. 4.0 has now been published and no new suggestions will be incorporated; this page is maintained as an archive of past discussion.'''
 :# Review the existing issue pages to see if your new idea would fit on an existing page. If so, feel free to add it yourself.
 :# Please refer to the [[Legalcode_errata | Legal Code Errata]]<ref> This page contains a list of errors and typos in the licenses. CC will be making changes in 4.0 to correct these problems (assuming the problematic text remains in 4.0).</ref>  page to see if your concern is addressed here.

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	== Notes ==		== Notes ==
	<references/>		<references/>
		+	[[Category:4.0]]

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 == Collecting societies ==
-'''Treatment in 4.0d3:''' Unchanged in d3. Following consultation with our affiliates, as well as with the collecting societies themselves, we have decided not to change the treatment of this issue between d2 and 3. In particular, we sought guidance that the simplified language would be treated by the collecting societies as having the same substantive meaning as the language in 3.0. We also examined the issue of Extended Collective Licensing jurisdictions, and whether there were improvements to make that would increase the likelihood of this provision being interpreted as intended by the ECLs; there was no strong case to make any particular alteration, and so the language here was left unchanged.
+'''Treatment in 4.0d3:''' Unchanged in d3. Following consultation with our affiliates, as well as with the collecting societies themselves, we have decided not to change the treatment of this issue between d2 and d3. In particular, we sought guidance that the simplified language would be treated by the collecting societies as having the same substantive meaning as the language in 3.0. We also examined the issue of Extended Collective Licensing jurisdictions, and whether there were improvements to make that would increase the likelihood of this provision being interpreted as intended by the ECLs; there was no strong case to make any particular alteration, and so the language here was left unchanged.
 '''Treatment in 4.0d2:''' Unchanged in d2.  Please note that based on input from our affiliates in Europe, CC is looking harder at situations involving extended collective licensing arrangements.  This review is still underway, and we expect to submit a proposal for consideration to the license discussion list shortly following publication of d2.

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 * Allow collecting societies to collect royalties even where arrangements are otherwise waivable. Specific language proposed with supporting arguments on [http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/cc-licenses/2012-April/006880.html license-discuss.]
 ** '''Treatment in 4.0d1:''' Not addressed because it seems to undermine the permissions being granted by the license if licensor can both encourage free permission via a CC license and voluntarily collect royalties from those same uses simultaneously. But if collecting society can and will still collect even if licensor is not a member, this may need to be addressed in the licenses.
 == NoDerivs condition ==
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 ==Additional terms framework ==
 * '''Treatment in 4.0d2:'''  Simplified language carried over from 3.0.  Importantly, we have retained Section 8(e) from 3.0 and clarified how the CC license operates with other agreements or understandings.  CC cannot prevent licensors from reaching additional agreements related to the work, whether through terms of use or otherwise.  But we do feel it important to make clearer that those understandings and agreements are separate and independent of the CC license itself, and where those conflict as regards use of the work itself, the terms of the CC license control.  Note also that the final CC notice specifies that as a matter of trademark, CC’s logos and trademarks cannot be used in connection with a modified license or those other understandings and agreements.
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 **"You may not sublicense the Work" is a phrase found in multiple licenses. But such prohibition seem to exist only for a limited type of use - namely, when a licensee "distribute or publicly perform" "the Work". When a licensee shares  the work within a small group (which is probably not "distribution" according to CC licenses definition section) or deals with adaptation, there is no such restriction. Does that mean a licensee can sublicense, then? I suppose not, because there is no explicit grant of such permission. But is it arguable in some cases that some implicit grant exist? I don't know the answer to that, but this is at least confusing for non-experts who want to read and understand license.
 **But some would say that this issue may be better handled by a FAQ entry than a provision legal code.
 * Require releasing the source when releasing a finished product under a CC license, similar to requirements in GPL.

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	== Collecting societies ==		== Collecting societies ==
		+	'''Treatment in 4.0d3:''' Unchanged in d3. Following consultation with our affiliates, as well as with the collecting societies themselves, we have decided not to change the treatment of this issue between d2 and 3. In particular, we sought guidance that the simplified language would be treated by the collecting socieities as having the same substantive meaning as the language in 3.0. We also examined the issue of Extended Collective Licensing jurisdictions, and whether there were improvements to make that would increase the likelihood of this provision being interpreted as intended by the ECLs; there was no strong case to make any particular alteration, and so the language here was left unchanged.
		+
	'''Treatment in 4.0d2:''' Unchanged in d2. Please note that based on input from our affiliates in Europe, CC is looking harder at situations involving extended collective licensing arrangements. This review is still underway, and we expect to submit a proposal for consideration to the license discussion list shortly following publication of d2.		'''Treatment in 4.0d2:''' Unchanged in d2. Please note that based on input from our affiliates in Europe, CC is looking harder at situations involving extended collective licensing arrangements. This review is still underway, and we expect to submit a proposal for consideration to the license discussion list shortly following publication of d2.

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 ==Termination==
-'''Treatment in 4.0d2:''' Remains unchanged, with automatic termination still applying in the event license conditions are violated.  However, this remains an open item for discussion between d2 and d3, as we explore more concertedly the inclusion of a cure period or similar provision more in line with those found in the [http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/2.0/index.txt MPL 2.0] and [http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html Gnu GPL 3.0].
+Moved to [[4.0/Termination]].
 ==Language Changes==

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 == Disclaimer of warranties and related issues==
-'''Treatment in 4.0d1:'''  The language has been simplified but is intended to operate and have the same scope as its counterpart in 3.0.  We are mindful that a complete disclaimer and limitation of liability may not be allowed depending on local law, and accordingly have prefaced the provision with the qualifier found suitable by several jurisdictions for 3.0 ports, “To the greatest extent permissible,...”  We expect that for some, this provision may be inadequate.  We want to hear ideas on both improving this provision, and the proposal for allowing additional terms to the license to allow for more specialized language to be included by licensors.  Please see the [[4.0/Sandbox#Additional_permissions_framework|Additional terms category]] below for a proposal allowing the addition of other terms that could cover specialized disclaimer and limitation language.
+Moved to [[4.0/Disclaimer of warranties and related issues]].
 == Collecting societies ==